This is not a real post, just a mash up of stuff clipped from other sources for my future reference really.
A former Labour MP has blamed the Oxford paedophile ring on "cultural practices" that have been "imported" from Pakistan.
Ann Cryer was criticised after drawing parallels with the abuse in Oxford and what she claimed was the Pakistani attitude towards women.
Seven men were found guilty of a catalogue of offences after the Old Bailey heard how the vulnerable schoolgirls were plucked from the streets and care homes to be drugged, raped and sold into prostitution.
Two sets of brothers, Akhtar Dogar, 32, and Anjum Dogar, 31, and Mohammed Karrar, 38, and Bassam Karrar, 33, were convicted along with Kamar Jamil, 27, Assad Hussain, 32, and Zeeshan Ahmed, 27.
Five of the men were of British Pakistani origin, and two were from North Africa.
Thames Valley Police Chief Constable Sara Thornton warned about making generalisations about the men's background, saying similar abuse can happen "across the community."
But Cryer, who has campaigned on child grooming issues, said: "It's cultural practices that have been imported into this country from Pakistan and we must not lose sight of that fact.
"We can't just turn a blind eye to it."
The truth about 'Asian sex gangs'
Despite the conviction of nine Asian men for child exploitation in Rochdale and worrying signs in the statistics, racial profiling won't help potential victims
In January 2011 the Times proclaimed a "conspiracy of silence" around groups of Pakistani men sexually exploiting white British girls. Political correctness and fear of appearing racist had trumped child protection, the paper claimed.
Soon the terms "Pakistani" and "Asian" were being conflated, much to the disgruntlement of other British Asians and a heated media debate ensued around the "Asian sex gang" problem. Former Labour cabinety minister Jack Straw demanded the Pakistani community take responsibility, while BNP leader Nick Griffin gleefully decried "Muslim paedophilia", campaigning with natty slogans such as "Our children are not halal meat". The EDL were regulars at major trials: either in the courtroom taking notes or outside spitting hate.
The defendants in question are at most nominally Muslim. Practising Muslims certainly aren't supposed to have sex with children. But race has proved a contentious and enduring feature of this crime's coverage. Opinions have been vociferous and commentators have rushed to explain a racial profile that is yet to be established clearly. And there have been official studies and action plans. Today saw the culmination of a major investigation, the latest in a series of high-profile trials involving large groups of adults sexually exploiting British children. All nine of those found guilty of crimes in the area of Rochdale, Greater Manchester, had conspicuously Asian names.
As researchers specialising in this crime, we are repeatedly asked: "Are on-street groomers Pakistani?" The honest answer is yes and no. There is still no reliable estimate of the number of "on-street groomers" nationwide, let alone of their ethnicity. Crime is usually measured using police or court records. Those on-street grooming cases that are actually reported are difficult to disentangle from other crimes. This is because on-street grooming is not a criminal offence. Instead, cases are charged under a wide variety of offences, from rape to internal sex trafficking to false imprisonment.
She was "criticized for saying this?" by who? People from pakistan? People from the muslim culture think anyone who doesn't follow islam is going to hell so treat them at best indifferently and at their worst hate us and our culture. For many years working in a foreign student night club I saw and had to deal with muslim men treating British women in a disgusting way. Every time you challenged them on it they always said " so what look at her she is like a prostitute" We shouldn't have ever let these animals emigrate here in such large numbers. Our governments have destroyed the British identity and damaged our country for ever.
15 May 2013 18:47
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Ms Thornton dismissed suggestions she should resign over the failings.
Speaking earlier on BBC Radio 4's Today programme, she said: "We were responding to each case individually. Nobody sat down and put the picture together."
Why not? Is that not whats needed to catch gangs, don't the police look for similarities, don't they profile crime and criminals or in oxford do they all leave it to Inspector Morse and Lewis??? Pathetic bunch of incompetents
15 May 2013 16:09
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"Nobody sat down and put the picture together.... Why not? Is that not whats needed to catch gangs, don't the police look for similarities, don't they profile crime and criminals or in oxford do they all leave it to Inspector Morse and Lewis???"
Because that would mean generalising and that's the one thing that PC Plod cannot do in this day and age!
15 May 2013 16:30
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Today Jeremy Vine had a discussion on this. The NSPCC man was in total denial that this was cultural or religious and came out with the silly stat that more white men than Pakistanis abuse girls. An Imam challenged him on this and said time for the Mosques and Churches to stop this politically correct "shilly shallying around" and face up to the problem. He said this is racial, cultural and religious and men like this see white girls as pieces of meat. He said the services are scared of being called racist and that simply is not good enough. He was an excellent breath of fresh air and no doubt will wind up being slated by Muslims and the p.c. brigade. The NSPCC man told him he was talking rubbish. He should be fired, because with those ignorant beliefs he is part of the problem. The Imam was so right on it was superb.
15 May 2013 18:48
i listened to Jeremy Vine today also .........never thought i would ever say this .......but total respect to the imam he had on .......he said it how it was, and explained, what a lot of British people have been saying ........but to scared too.
15 May 2013 19:31
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Ann Cryer is right. Not only muslims, but every ethnic group have brought their own prejudices and moral values into this country. They are entitled to this say some.
Yet when those moral values/prejudices/customs clash with ours, what do they do? They do what they would do in their own country according to their own ideas. This is wrong, and they quite simply should not be here.
I went over to S. Africa in 1966, and lived there for 10 years. I often had different ideas on certain things. If I had a pound (or should I say rand) for every time I was told when in Rome, or if you don't like it, you know where the airport is.
The ethnics coming here should be treated the same. They come here, we do not invite them.If they don't like the way we do things, than they should have taken that into account and stayed away.
In particular our women are not common property to be treated in any way that a man chooses. Women are in every way the equal of men. Not chattels to be beaten, gang raped, sold on, used to make money out of.
We are seeing the end result (on of them) of Blair's great social experiment.
16 May 2013 10:09
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full english cities are now no go areas for the police or social services. now we know why.
16 May 2013 12:39
Gangs, Girls and Grooming: The Truth
At Sheffield Crown Court throughout September and October, eight men sat in the dock accused of rape and other sexual crimes against four girls, three aged 13 and one 16. The case resulted in five being convicted and three acquitted. All of the eight defendants were Pakistani Muslims and the girls white British. Does this matter? Not for the reasons the British National Party would have us believe, but it is nonetheless significant.
Razwan Razaq, 30, his 24-year-old brother Umar, Muhammed Zafran Ramzan, 21, Adil Hussain, 20, and Mohsin Khan, 21, were sent to prison for between four-and-a-half to 11 years.
The crimes were committed in and around Rotherham, a fairly typical south Yorkshire town. Although unemployment is fairly high, Rotherham is now also a popular summer visitors' destination when All Saints Square is transformed into a seaside beach. Every month, there is a farmers' market that sells produce from local farmers and traders, and Jamie Oliver's TV series, Jamie's Ministry of Food, tried to teach the town's inhabitants to establish healthy eating as part of daily life.
But many parents are concerned far more with the safety of their children than with organic food. Rotherham, along with many other towns, cities and villages in northern England has become infected with the vile activities of criminal gangs using children as currency. While child sexual abuse occurs in every community and culture, what is happening in Rotherham and elsewhere in Yorkshire and Lancashire is organised pimping of girls by Asian gangs who trade their victims for cash and favours.
"These men all know and trust each other," says Jane, the mother of one of the victims. "They don't abuse these girls because they are Muslim, but because they are criminals who think they are above the law."
Although there is no hard evidence of financial gain in the Rotherham case, child protection professionals tell me that the pattern in such cases is that the girls are traded for cash as well as favours between criminals. A number of the gangs operating in the region have found that the sharp drop in the price of drugs has led them to losing considerable income, and that selling girls is increasingly filling the gap.
Grooming: Merely a Pakistani issue?
First published Monday 25 March 2013 in Columnists
Last updated 09:08 Monday 25 March 2013 by Aleia Abbas, Political and current affairs columnist
Children’s Minister Edward Timpson called for the Pakistani community to root out paedophiles in its midst.
But is the Pakistani commuity in 'collective denial'? and why have other MP's quickly backed up such views?
Mr Timpson told a Commons inquiry into street grooming that in the past there had not been ‘robust investigations’ into such offences because of ‘cultural sensitivities’ or political correctness’.
Politicians have failed to discuss this type of crime sensitively.
Jack Straw MP, for instance made comments on BBC Newsnight's about how some British Pakistani men are “fizzing and popping with testosterone” and see white girls as “easy meat”.
On BBC radio 4 last year he also said “There is an issue of ethnicity here which can’t be ignored, and that is an issue which has to be faced and addressed within the Asian community about what’s going on there.
"That kind of leads to a sense of denial by them that all this is going on. These are small communities so people will have a rough idea that people are abusing white girls in this way”.
Mr Straw’s (who was Home Secretary at the time) own brother was convicted in 2000 of indecent assault on girl, aged 16 – so it is surprising that he doesn’t understand that families and communities don’t always know when criminal activity is taking place under their very nose.
What is also worrying is this notion of ‘collective responsibility’ for members of the Asian community, would the same be asked of white British people?
Would they be accused of having a sense of ‘denial’ or that they will have a ‘rough idea’ when abuse is going on in their communities?
There is a suggestion of there being some kind of conspiracy of silence within the Asian community, that somehow we all know when young girls are being abused and that we somehow ‘close ranks’.